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Hong Kong's political prisoners

This week Hong Kong imprisoned pro-democracy activists. After an earlier trial and the young people serving their original sentences of community service, the government decided the punishment was not harsh enough and had the court re-try them and lock them up. They took to community service well and this perhaps infuriated the authorities. In social media American critisms of the political prosecution earned comments from the Pro-China (anti-democracy camp) that the West has no right to be critical because Western governments have shot protesters and that is no different than the massacre in Tian An Men. The British selling Opium to China. The history of slavery in America-all seem to give reasons why China can commit human rights abuses-unchecked.

One such exchange is posted below (Hong Kong Free Press fb page, 19.8.17)

 

Vincent Wong "As a comparison case study, in 1967, President Lyndon Johnson sent in the 82nd and 101st airborne division, TANKS just like Tiananmen square to Detroit to quell a riot which lasted only four days. ( compared to 79 days in HK) The army and national guard (which was mostly white) targeted and killed black people with impunity. 7000 people were arrested and god knows how many went to jail. So For you white folks and freedom loving American hypocrites who are spewing your bullshit here, get off your moral high horse and take a good look at your bloody hands. Your countries were founded on slavery and genocide (And pushing drugs to China), go somewhere else to be sanctimonious and feel good about yourself. The western powers wrote the playbook on flagrant violations of human rights and freedom...China is just copying from that playbook. Leave us the fxxk(my censorship-jc) alone...thank you."

 

 

Jeffrey Carnett 

Hmm I was in the Detroit riots. Were you? There were more and there will be protests and disruption in a democratic society. You discuss the riots since there is free information. Tian An Men is not known to many in China since it was hidden. The US was not founded on slavery. Slavery was introduced by the British as a way to make money. It is a sin. Genocide and oppression of people is wrong. But to say all people in the West believe slavery etc is ok but criticize China is stupid-you must know that. The British sold opium to China-true. The Chinese government stopped Lin Zi Xu the governor of Canton who wanted to stop it. Your view of history is too simple. In 1978 I was invited to Peking by the CCP to see for myself the changes that occurred. There were clean streets, seemingly full employment. I was taken to hospitals where there were many "mental" patients many of whom were political prisoners. That was 1978. China had experienced mismanagement through the Great Leap and the Cultural Revolution. Many people died as a result of the CCP view of its own people having no real value. The CCP is no different today. It uses cash diplomacy to get Westerners to look away from its abuses. That is shameful. China is a great country and its people are great. The CCP seems to think they don't want or deserve freedom. The ROC on Taiwan is an example of how a Chinese society can be civilized. That is why Peking fears it. They also shudder in fear of these fine young people who are now in jail. Such a powerful body is afraid of these young people. So, yes, human rights abuses have occurred in other countries int he past and present. That is being used by people like you to avoid facing the reality that abuses are occurring here. That is a cop out. Rather than say "they did it so we can too" make a choice to be better than they are.

This week Hong Kong imprisoned pro-democracy activists. After an earlier trial and the young people serving their original sentences of community service, the government decided the punishment was not harsh enough and had the court re-try them and lock them up. They took to community service well and this perhaps infuriated the authorities. In social media American critisms of the political prosecution earned comments from the Pro-China (anti-democracy camp) that the West has no right to be critical because Western governments have shot protesters and that is no different than the massacre in Tian An Men. The British selling Opium to China. The history of slavery in America-all seem to give reasons why China can commit human rights abuses-unchecked.

One such exchange is posted below (Hong Kong Free Press fb page, 19.8.17)

Vincent Wong "As a comparison case study, in 1967, President Lyndon Johnson sent in the 82nd and 101st airborne division, TANKS just like Tiananmen square to Detroit to quell a riot which lasted only four days. ( compared to 79 days in HK) The army and national guard (which was mostly white) targeted and killed black people with impunity. 7000 people were arrested and god knows how many went to jail. So For you white folks and freedom loving American hypocrites who are spewing your bullshit here, get off your moral high horse and take a good look at your bloody hands. Your countries were founded on slavery and genocide (And pushing drugs to China), go somewhere else to be sanctimonious and feel good about yourself. The western powers wrote the playbook on flagrant violations of human rights and freedom...China is just copying from that playbook. Leave us the fxxk(my censorship-jc) alone...thank you."

Jeffrey Carnett 

Hmm I was in the Detroit riots. Were you? There were more and there will be protests and disruption in a democratic society. You discuss the riots since there is free information. Tian An Men is not known to many in China since it was hidden. The US was not founded on slavery. Slavery was introduced by the British as a way to make money. It is a sin. Genocide and oppression of people is wrong. But to say all people in the West believe slavery etc is ok but criticize China is stupid-you must know that. The British sold opium to China-true. The Chinese government stopped Lin Zi Xu the governor of Canton who wanted to stop it. Your view of history is too simple. In 1978 I was invited to Peking by the CCP to see for myself the changes that occurred. There were clean streets, seemingly full employment. I was taken to hospitals where there were many "mental" patients many of whom were political prisoners. That was 1978. China had experienced mismanagement through the Great Leap and the Cultural Revolution. Many people died as a result of the CCP view of its own people having no real value. The CCP is no different today. It uses cash diplomacy to get Westerners to look away from its abuses. That is shameful. China is a great country and its people are great. The CCP seems to think they don't want or deserve freedom. The ROC on Taiwan is an example of how a Chinese society can be civilized. That is why Peking fears it. They also shudder in fear of these fine young people who are now in jail. Such a powerful body is afraid of these young people. So, yes, human rights abuses have occurred in other countries int he past and present. That is being used by people like you to avoid facing the reality that abuses are occurring here. That is a cop out. Rather than say "they did it so we can too" make a choice to be better than they are.

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